But if I was an astartes and my primarch turned from the light could i bring myself to trade my father for my grandfather? I dont know. Would I personally want to turn against the imperium? No, not essentially. Thousand Sons, every single one as loyal as the most devout Ultramarine, but all branded traitors. So causing a civil war about it when realistically Horus was only going to do it exactly the same way seems kind of futile.īut as for where I stand? Well here is where the lines get blurred, for I fall into what I like to call the Thousand Son category, being a victim of circumstances rather than having an actual choice, it all depends on the situation. So my labourous point is, that was the only effective way to rule the imperium. So whilst I somewhat disagree with many of the Emperor's policies and did occasionally find him a bit of an ar*ehole, he knew how to rule the imperium, he knew how to conquor a galaxy, it might not have been the nicest way, but you need a bit of the Kurze factor to rule an entire galaxy without being constantly contested for your right to rule it.Īll the xenos that would be allowed to live would only serve to seperate the human race, and only cause friction between themselves and the rest of the imperium, it would cause a lot more conflict in the long run if only because many humans and astartes would be just as racist as the emperor, and many of these xenos would not want to live under the opressive rule of the imperium, so it is just leaving more of your enemies to unite against you. The imperium still has some freedom, humans can still make something of themselves, Malcador for example, but in chaos, there are no malcador's or lords of terra equivalents, they are all astartes, ruling by an even more iron fist than the emperor did. I also fail to see how a chaos influenced imperium would spare the lives of xenos or for that matter any kind of free speech at all. they would spend their lives in eternal pain. seriously? instead of mindless drones the ordinary humans would be insane manifestations of the warp. But Horus is percieved as being nicer because he was the politician, the Emperor did not feel he had to earn the respect of his sons, here as Horus had to fight for it, so who is to say that the moment Horus won the imperium he would have done it any differently?Īlso, no matter how bad the imperium was in terms of human rights. Horus and the Emperor were playing very different roles, the Emperor was the ruler, what he said goes. The thing is, just because the Emperor had an absolute morality policy as opposed to the relative morality of deciding whether xenos were harmful or not, this does not mean that Horus would have done it better. I personally am unkowing pledging my soul to choas for the greater good of mankind :spiteful: So i suppose my question is, does anyone agree and if in the postion of a space marine during the time of the heresy would u defect or be loyal ? I am now starting to believe that horus is infact the hero and the imperium must be stopped at all costs before it destroys the whole galaxy and makes everyone in it a compliant drone. On the flip side of the coin Solomen Demeter(The Honourable sevent of the emperor) is of the opinion that these worlds should be subject to the same fate as the rest of the alien worlds that the imperium has destroyed.įinally i come to my point. Fulgrim opted to spare these planets because of their beauty, and i thought finally a spacemarine with some sense of diplomacy(however Fulgrim is already infected by choas at this time without knowing it). This argument solidified itself when Fulgrim and his captains transitioned into the perdus system and discovered the paradise planets which the Eldar held dominion over. It seems to me that the imperium of man is an entirley tyrannical empire, With its staunch rules and brainwashed superhuman soldiers that truly believe that anything that is even remotely xeno's must die immediatley whether they are dangerous or not, basically if your not human or atleast humanoid your getting a kicking. Iv currently just finished the 5th novel in the HH series "Fulgrim" and am currently getting really immersed in the pre heresy story, although i am now starting to wonder whether or not i am interpreting the story correctly as at times i find my self intensly disliking the imperial cause.
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